Jason Hartman begins off the episode with Doug to talk about portfolio makeovers. They go into the idea of long-term investing and the fallacy of passive investment. Doug pulled out of the real estate business and missed out on profiting as a result of short-term thinking with his investments. In the interview segment, Jason finishes the second half of an interview with Muthiah. Muthiah explains why he had to file a claim against a vendor and how we got restitution. Jason talks about a Hall of Shame he’s created and why it’s important to file complaints even if they won’t help you at the time of your complaint. This is the benefit of a network.
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Jason Hartman 0:52
Welcome listeners from 165 countries worldwide. This is your host Jason Hartman with Episode 997 Episode 900 97 Yes, that’s right. We’re only a couple episodes away from Episode 1000. That’ll be a 10th episode show. So we go off topic, discuss something of general interest, and we will have Coby callay, the famous singer and songwriter on that show Episode 1000. Coming up, I can’t believe we’re here already. And I can hardly wait till we get to Episode 5007 thousand. And we will get there folks. By the way. That brings me to another point. We did have a little bit of a problem with our iTunes feed. If you are listening to the podcast on iTunes. We had a bit of a an issue with it last Friday. Thank you all the listeners who reached out to me on email and voxer and told us about that problem. We appreciate that. I think we’ve got it fixed now. But one of the fixes that we had to implement was to make it so not all of the episodes show up in the feed. now know that you can always get all of our episodes And if an episode doesn’t show up on Monday, Wednesday and Friday, like clockwork, hey, you know, Mussolini said at least the trains run on time, right? To take it from a dictator, if it doesn’t show up, you can always just go to Jason Hartman calm and find the show. But we always appreciate you letting us know if there’s an issue with our feed. We think we’ve got that pretty much fixed now, but just wanted to inform you of that. So we are going to talk today with this is a two part show. We’ve got part two of our interview with mithya, where we talked about solving problems and a client case study of moving from challenges to overcoming those challenges and getting them fixed. And speaking of overcoming and moving to a better scenario, something that I created many, many years ago, was called the portfolio review. And then part two of that was the portfolio makeover and we are going to bring this back in a bit. Much better version, we’ll call it version 4.0. Maybe it’s not 2.0 version 4.0. And if you would like to meet with me in Philadelphia, on Sunday morning, the 20th after our event, we’ve got our conference there, the creating wealth conference on May 19. I will be doing personal, individualized, private portfolio makeovers and portfolio reviews. And we’re going to talk a little bit about that today. Because our client and friend who you’ve heard on the show, before, Doug has taken and really, really improved these spreadsheets, the tools that we use to do this review and make over dramatically, and he’s going to talk to us about that today in the intro portion. Doug, welcome. How are you? Good, Jason. Good. It’s good to have you on so just to give a little history because you are a client case study in and of yourself. Oh, yes. We’re not really talking about that today. But when did you first discover My podcast and start buying properties. It was right here. What? 10 years?
Yeah, maybe So yeah, I first discovered your podcast in 2008. I started buying properties in 2009. And you know, I got a couple properties go on and then I encountered just a few just biblical disasters. I think I had a property management company that took place a tenant that just totally tore up my property.
Jason Hartman 4:22
No, no, Doug, we’re with Mu theia. Today, we are talking about negativity and problems and overcoming them. So let’s not overwhelm the listeners otherwise nobody will ever buy a property. But yeah, folks look at like I always say, this is not a free ride, okay. There’s, there is no, folks, if someone is telling you that there is a passive investment, even if it’s money in the bank, they are lying, lying, lying. probably all have heard of Gary Vaynerchuk. The outspoken business person not talking about real estate, but he just Totally rips into all these people out there selling these businesses that are supposed to produce passive income. It is BS. There’s no such thing as passive income. But there are things that are easier than others. And that’s what we have. We have the most historically proven road to wealth. But Doug, yes, biblical disaster. Go ahead.
So yeah, so what happened was right, I started going pretty good. And then I kind of sputtered for a while. And now I’m really coming back. Yeah. And so I think the portfolio review and portfolio makeover process is something that I’m running both academically and for myself and looking at how I want to redeploy some of the equity capitals that I have in various places throughout my financial life. Yeah. So it’s great topic.
Jason Hartman 5:42
Yeah, good stuff. You know, what saddens me about your story a bit is that when you had this problem, where you got discouraged about the tenant that beat up your property, and you had the bad property manager, and by the way, folks, like I said on the last episode, dis intermediation get rid of these prices. property managers in less, they’re good ones, just get rid of them try self management with our hybrid approach that we’ve talked about on many episodes, I am convinced that this is the way to go, you know, I just look at the way people self manage versus having the managers and it’s just easier. So you know, get the get the middleman out of the way and make your life easier. I really think that’s the way to go. Unless that middleman is really good and really adding value, which some of them do, and they’re great. But if they’re not great, then just try it the other way and many episodes on that I won’t go into today. Doug, the thing that saddens me about your story is that when you have those challenges, it was just as the market was turning coming out of the Great Recession, and I know you sold one of those properties. And Ma’am, if you would have held on to that even though you had that bad experience, you would have made a lot of money. So sorry about that.
No, that’s all right. You know, there’s only two good times to plant a tree you know, the best time is 20 years ago and the second best time is now
Jason Hartman 7:00
So yeah, that’s a great thing.
I can’t go back 20 years you know, I was gonna say cuz yeah if I could go back to 2009 the first thing I do would be buy bitcoin but then the second thing would probably be to pick up more properties.
Jason Hartman 7:11
Remember, when you and I, you were on stage with me at meet the Masters in Irvine, California many years ago, and we were talking about Bitcoin. And people in the audience, I remember asked, What is Bitcoin? And I think the price back then was about 70 bucks. Now, look at folks, you know, that I do not recommend cryptocurrencies or speculative investments. I mean, look, maybe, you know, if you want to take 5% of your net worth, and gamble, I think that’s an okay strategy because, you know, the risk reward ratio, if you’ve got a few bucks, it’s just not a big deal. If you lose it, it’s not gonna affect your life. But if you win big, it could affect your life, right in a very positive way. So I think that’s fine. But yeah, so I know shoulda coulda, woulda, as always Everything in life is that way. You know, it’s the human condition should have could have whatever right but yeah,
remember? Yeah. When I first heard about Bitcoin it was on an econ podcast, I think it was it was trading at about $40. And people said it could grow to be like, maybe 500.
Jason Hartman 8:13
Yeah, right, right. And here we are 8000 or something like that. Right. But we’re down from almost 20,000. Right. So yeah, that’s crazy. Well, one of the things that helps cure the human condition, if you will, a little bit here is the portfolio review and the portfolio makeover because as we go through life, we keep getting our emotions tilted. Don’t we buy things that happened to us, you know, if we have a bad tenant, or a bad manager, you know, this upsets the apple cart, but one of the things that helps us keep on track is simply doing the math, right. And a lot of people with income property, they’re winning, and they think they’re losing simply because they Don’t know how to do the math even when really bad things happen. Okay, biblical disasters, if you will, amazingly, you know, you add it all up at the end of the year, and it can surprise you, you still won, you know, because the question is compared to what compared to the s&p, you know, it’s gonna do maybe 8% a year or something like that. I mean, it’s pretty easy to make 8% with income properties, you know, that things would have to go really, really bad to only make 8% all in with income properties. So we’ve got to look at what we have now and what we could have and how that affects our overall plan. Go ahead.
Oh, no, I was just gonna say on the SMP side, say you can make 15% per year but then two years will be a mirror. Yes, it but then two years before you’d retire, there’s a 45% market correction. Well, all those gains don’t mean anything to you now. And so, so yeah, I think that’s one of the other things that’s really important about a portfolio review, is it gets you to redistribute your equity. Because then what that does is it distributes your risk. Because whenever you get high concentrations of equity and you know, one investment type or another, you end up having more and more risk there. And so the more you’re able to dissipate your risk, the more you’re able to insulate yourself when disruptions happen, because the thing is, right, weird stuff is going to inevitably happen, you know, if you’re playing the game to win, which means you’re playing it actively. That means you have a lot of things that go, okay. You’ll have some biblical disasters, and you’ll have some great triumphs. And if you get to down whenever something goes terribly wrong, then you’ll never be in long enough to win. good points.
Jason Hartman 10:37
I agree. I couldn’t agree more. And the interesting thing is our minds are predisposed toward negativity. So we could have a portfolio of say 10 or 20 properties. And if one or two that would be 10%. In either case, goes poorly, that like derails the whole plan where we’ve got these other nine or 18 properties that are You know, maybe five or 10 of them, you know, I’ll take that half, I probably should have just stuck with one, number nine or 10 or 20, you know, are going pretty well. And a few are going great. And then we’ve got this one that goes bad. But the interesting thing is just part of the human condition, the one that goes bad is the one that derails the whole plan, because of the way our minds react, emotionally to things. And that’s why it’s important to just do the math and look at the spreadsheet, right? And look at the performer and know what’s really going on that grounds us I would say it grounds us right, is that a fair statement?
It is and I think one of the things that’s really important too, even with bad experiences and losses is that you know, anytime you’re doing something passive so like, say your buy and hold or and you put your money in the SMP and it rockets up. Okay, that’s great. But what have you learned that you can repeat in the future? No, the answer is nothing.
Jason Hartman 11:56
Yeah, good. Good. No, no, here’s what you learned. You got lucky. Yeah.
You know, you learned that you got lucky. And one of the things that I think that’s good about something a little more active, like an investment property is that as you go through it, you’ll start learning to make good decisions. And then those decisions are repeatable, and they’ll actually increase your performance in the future. The problem with being too passive is that you don’t learn from your successes or failures. So you don’t have the ability to get successively better as you gain experience, right? Being a 10 year passive investor or a 50, or passive investor makes no difference because you’re just writing the market. And if the market goes down at the wrong time, you have no recourse. There’s nothing you can do about
Jason Hartman 12:38
it. It just it just happens. You’re just a it’s, it’s like playing a sport versus watching a spectator sport. Okay, you can’t do anything, you know, either your team’s gonna win or lose. But if you’re playing the sport, you can change your strategy. You can try harder. You can do things you’re actively involved in, engage in You’re becoming a better person by playing the game. You’re not becoming a better person by watching the game. In fact, I would argue that you’re becoming a much worse person by watching the game you’re probably getting a beer belly number one, you know, and lots of bad things come out of that. Right I think that metaphor of the spectator sport is probably pretty valid and I know you like spectator sport so
I was gonna say yes, yeah now reminded me of all the time I’ve spent yelling at the television for refs at basketball games in the Portland Trailblazers, we’re losing in the fourth quarter.
Jason Hartman 13:31
Yeah. How did that work for you? By the way?
I swear there’s a part of me that thinks they can hear me.
Jason Hartman 13:38
Yeah, absolutely. That’s funny. Hey, we’re gonna have to wrap this up for this episode to get to our guest Messiah and do part two of his interview from last week. So, Doug, thank you so much for sharing this on the next episode. What else are we going to cover on this? Because there’s some really good takeaways here.
What we’re going to cover is the whole idea of ritual. Turn on equity and how you can use some of the tools that the big corporate finance folks do to optimize your own portfolio. And then you’re going to bring it back to how you’ll be doing portfolio reviews with people who come to creating wealth in Philadelphia so that they can use the same same techniques to make themselves wealthy instead of just making corporations wealthy.
Jason Hartman 14:21
Sounds good to me. Sounds good to everybody. Okay, thank you so much, Doug, for joining us on this. We’ll talk to you on the next episode with part two about portfolio reviews and portfolio makeovers. Go to Jason Hartman comm and click on events to join us in Philadelphia or the New York event the following week. Let’s get to part two of move fire. And remember, when you hear about this negativity in real estate, and the problems and overcoming them because there are problems, this is not a free ride. There’s no such thing as a passive investment. Remember to always ask yourself, compared to what that’s the important question for everything in life compared to what, you’ll feel the bumps in the road more in this investment because you’re a direct investor, but at least you can do something about them. And you can act and fix things. And that’s what we’re talking about here today. So let’s get to Matthias. And his story is great. So let’s go ahead and transition over that. And Doug will talk to you in the next episode. Thanks, Jason.
Jason Hartman 15:33
I’ve got some property managers that like, I mean, literally years go by and there’s not one deduction other than their management fee. I got others that man it’s like every other month, there’s this that this piddly thing that piddly thing. You know what? My mom the do it yourselfer extraordinaire, you know who’s been on the show many times talking about her best practices. You know what she does? The tenants she just gets the tenants to agree to fix stuff. When you’re self managing as a direct investor, you can actually talk to the tenant, and you can set expectations and you say, look, you are not living in a big institutional apartment complex where you’re crammed together with 100 neighbors, okay? This is your own home, it’s a single family home. So, you know, I know that you don’t own it, but think more like an owner, you’ve got to do a little maintenance here. You know, this is not a big institutional apartment. We’re not going to send an exterminator out, you know, every week, we’re not going to change your light bulbs for you. This is a home, I expect you to take pride in it, and, you know, get involved and, and take care of things. And this is what I’m about to say is probably not even legal. But I’m gonna say it anyway. But I’ve heard managers over the years are not managers, but in fact say to me things like, well, this is why I always ask them if they’re handy.
If they like to fix things, you know, you know,
Jason Hartman 17:11
it should almost be a test, you know, you give them a test. Well, you know how to fix a sink?
You know how to unclog a drain? You know?
Jason Hartman 17:22
Actually, I don’t think I don’t think being unhandy or handy is actually a protected class yet, under the Fair Housing rules, but it probably will be something
like but some of these property managers you know, I know that the ones in Quad Cities I think they actually put out a video they want these tenants watch the video on what they need to do. So they don’t come back and say, Well, I didn’t know how to turn the main water off when I left this and that some basic things they actually had them watch a video so and then they haven’t signed off on it as well. So if there’s any issues that comes up as a result of them, not having watched the video or not, not having followed with the video instructed them to do it and they’re held responsible. No, getting back to your mother, I love your mother, you know, I spoke to her, you know, during the last meet the masters and, you know, she sets the expectations at the very beginning, and there’s no fooling around with her, you know, you, she lets them know, hey, if I don’t get the rent by the first, then I’m going to send you the, you know, the three day notice. So they don’t fool around with somebody like that, that sets the standards of the very, very first time that you know, they don’t pay the rent and cheeses and don’t notice, you know, and then so then from that point on, they take it very seriously. So that’s why I’m saying when you when the property managers, you know, you just set the expectation, hey, look, I’m watching my account, you know, I want to make sure that, you know, if you’re going to adopt something, I need to know what it is.
Jason Hartman 18:38
I agree, you know, you you need to do that. But I tell you, it just the more and more I do this, and you know, we’ve done thousands of deals. Okay. I’ve been doing this a long, long time now. Okay. You know, just in the nationwide turnkey business what what is it? Is it covenant? Well, it’s almost 14 years I think now right? And or maybe it is 14 years. You Talking to thousands and thousands of investors. Just the more I think about it, the more I see it, the more I think that you just have this inherent conflict of interest with property managers, you just self management more and more as the way to go. But, you know, if you have a good manager, it’s great, but few managers are great, you know, I mean, some of them, you know, there’s a continuum right? There. Some are okay, some are great, some are terrible. Okay, so move. I know, just out of curiosity on the self management thing, have you ever done it considered it? How many properties Do you have from us now?
Well, I have about 20 properties right now.
Jason Hartman 19:40
Hey, listeners, don’t you love that Messiah doesn’t even know how many properties he has. That’s cool. You got so many You don’t even know.
How many do I have?
One so I have 20 right now?
Jason Hartman 19:54
Yeah. Okay. Okay. You had 21 Okay, got it. Okay, so Mutharika Did you self manage anyway, Never no no no i did they know what not these but you know before I started investing I owned a condo and I self managed at that point that was many years ago but you know I did that on my own wasn’t that great you know pretend would come up to my work and start screaming you know it just want to say yeah, but but CNC with this self look at I self managed when I was a local investor. You know, I self managed everything. Okay. And then I self managed long distances. I’ve told them the show before, you know, but I never had any tenants coming in screaming I never had any calls at one in the morning. All of this folklore you hear it just never happened to me. Okay. I did have this one guy. He was the funniest guy ever. In the 90s. His name was Hugo and he lived in my property in Rancho Santa Margarita. And he used to come in almost every month he had his members only jacket on. The guy was just he was just funny. And he’d come in every month and hey, Jason, is you go Sorry, the rent is late this month, he was late almost every, almost every month, you know, he come in to go in, he always had an excuse and he was just the guy was just so funny. My assistance Karen and Denise Houston. See you go come into the office, you know, like, it was always the fifth of the month, it was never the first. You know, he always handed me a check. But you know, it was, it was fine. It’s no big deal. Anyway, I’d consider self management but Messiah, we want to get to the thing of course, and it’s my fault because I’m blabbering here. Let’s talk about holding these people accountable when you get a truly bad actor. And look at folks, I don’t want you to think this happens all the time. It doesn’t out of thousands and thousands of transactions. You only get a few of these, okay? But it’s just the law of large numbers. You’re gonna get a few Okay, there’s there are bad people out there. There are bad actors. There are people that will be good for a while and then they become bad. They sort of take the relationship for granted they you know, the Napoleon I always try to remind myself and humble myself with this great quote by Napoleon. You know, Napoleon finally met his Waterloo, right? That’s the story. That’s how history tells us. And Napoleon used to say, the most dangerous moment comes with victory. The most dangerous moment comes with victory because we become complacent, we become arrogant, and we start missing things. And you know, as humans, we must never do that. We’re gonna have victories in our life, and that’s great. But we never ever want to become complacent. Okay? And that’s what happens with these property managers. You know, they get busy, and they get successful, and, you know, they just forget to appreciate it. And it’s just part of human nature. It’s not a good thing. But it’s a real thing. You know, and sometimes there are just some downright crooks out there, just some real scum, okay. And you got to hold them accountable. So what I did is I sent you my whole of shame resource list, which by the way any of you can get by going to Jason Hartman calm and reaching out to your investment counselor, if you don’t have an investment counselor, just fill out any web form at Jason hartman.com. And they’ll get it to you. And, you know, this is the list of agencies that you can simply file a complaint with for free, whether it be the real estate commission, you know, the contractors License Board, different agencies, okay. And it’s certainly by no means a comprehensive list, but it’s a good start. And, you know, this is what you pay taxes for folks. You’ve got these free government resources, these regulatory agencies, and I want you to use them, I want you to use them to file complaints against bad actors. So that at the very least, maybe you won’t get justice out of it, but you probably will. You probably will, because they’ll send them a letter saying, hey, look, complaints been filed against you fix it, that’s what usually happens. And then when they don’t fix it, they take the next step, they might suspend their license, they might sanction them, you know, the government has, you know, has unlimited power virtually right. You know, maybe they won’t pay attention to your complaint. You know, maybe it’s the first one that came in about this bad actor, and maybe they got to accumulate a couple of complaints, but they as that file grows, and there’s three complaints, four complaints, five complaints, you know, this regulatory agency is probably going to come down on them. And that’s a good thing. And you know, what, even if it didn’t help you directly, it helps the next person, okay? So really, you know, become the empowered investor, don’t be a victim. And then the other thing you can do is an online court system, like I referred you Messiah to people claim. I had them on the show, not on this show, but on my free court show and I’ve got a similar passion project startup that I’m working on called free course. That’s free court.com you go check it out. It’s an online court system. And people claim has been operational for quite a while now. You filed a complaint on people claim. And that’s what did the trick you did the administrative complaint with the regulatory agency also. Right. Tell us about what I did. And what happened?
Well, I mean, I found you based on your recommendation and filed a complaint with the Alabama real estate commission as safely as for you, yeah. Yeah, I know, they told me that they investigated it. And then they said that they already shut down the property management company that this is affiliated with this particular company, but they couldn’t do anything to this company and sold me the property because they were operating under a different entity was not a real estate was not under the under the guise of a real estate company. And so they didn’t have jurisdiction over them. And so that’s why they couldn’t do anything, but they did tell me,
Jason Hartman 25:48
you know, what we’ve got to do in this country, Messiah. And look, folks, you’re not gonna like this because a lot of you asked about asset protection, and you’ve heard Garrett Sutton on the show, talking about that and all that. stuff, but I’ll tell you something we really need to in this country re examine the way people are allowed to use entities to screw people over. Because especially in the big corporate world with, you know, with these bigwigs, I mean, it’s just disgusting what they do, but anyway, that’s sort of another tangent obviously,
you know, that’s a very valid point because you know what it is right after even though they got blind and they got suspended, the property manager company got suspended. These guys went back change the name of the company and incorporated somewhere in some other state, and they continue to do business even in Alabama is still selling property in Alabama, but under another name, I mean, you know, this just unbelievable.
Jason Hartman 26:43
Yeah, no, I know it’s a sad state of affairs, but anyway, it is what it is. Okay. So, but the thing that did work for you, though, you got some justice, and they actually folks, this story ends with, they actually bought the house back. I mean, that’s a pretty big deal. Okay, they actually took it back and gave you your money back move higher. So I’m being a spoiler there. But so Mutharika, what happened. So you you went to portal claim calm? My recommendation, you’ve you basically filed a case, right in the online court.
Right. Yeah. And there were people that are offering to help me even through the people court. They kept saying, hey, how can we help you? Have you? Have you heard anything? Have they ever settled with you, and so on. And so I kept updating the complaint online saying, this is what’s happening, they have not responded. And then I think from there, and they kept posting negative reviews on them. And I think eventually it got to them and they said, Okay, look, we’ll buy your back. And I saw then at that point, when they said, like, I said, I need to be made hold. Now, whatever I paid, I want you to pay me back. Plus, I need you to pay back the foundational damages that will cause is one $8,000. Right, plus, plus the closing costs on the buyback. So I mean, after all of that, I think I’ve made pretty much the whole I got out of it. So that was good.
Jason Hartman 28:02
Yeah, right. Right. Yeah. Good. So it worked through people claim, but it might have worked through the regulatory agency, they did respond to you. And they did on a separate matter. Shut down their property management company. Yeah. It wasn’t because of your complaint, but it was because of someone else’s complaint. Right? Exactly. Good. Good, accurate, folks. And they knew about this company. They knew what the reputation of this company, they said, We were familiar with this company, we shut them down because they had unlicensed agents, leasing properties and making false promises. Exactly. Everything. I said, What happened to me. So yeah, that was like, like you said, it is as you know, even though I didn’t you know somebody else in front of me and file a complaint. I came out to them and it just put more pressure on them to change their ways. It’s a compounding thing. Folks, do not be a victim. Be the empowered investor. And do your duty, you know, with AI, you spent a lot of time on this, but I want to tell everybody, you do not need to spend a lot of time on it. Okay, you can do this stuff. You can file a complaint with any one of these agencies on my list again, you want that list, Jason hartman.com. If you already have an investment counselor just asked them for it, they’ll get it to you. And, you know, do something. hold these people accountable. I don’t want to say it’s just for you. This is your duty as a citizen. Okay. You know, it’s like making a citizen’s arrest when you see someone doing something bad, right? Or it’s like that Seinfeld episode about the What do they call it the Good Samaritan law? They went to jail on the last Seinfeld episode, because you you have to be a good Samaritan. You know, I think it’s our duty. You got to do it. Okay. You got to try and hold these people accountable and make them do what’s right. So anything else people should know before we wrap it up, and I
think that people should just not sit passively whether it’s you know, when they’re buying the property or whether they’re doing the property manager or loading on seller, they just got to be actively involved at all times. I don’t think it’s, you know, I sit back and just think everything’s gonna be fine. I think it’s important to be an active participant. Yeah,
Jason Hartman 30:17
yeah. I couldn’t agree with you more. Thank you so much for sharing your story. I’m glad you got justice. And, folks, if you’ve been taken advantage of, this is what we’re here for. Tell us so we can help you. So we can fight for you won’t fight for you. Is that commercial used to say with that lawyer? I’ll fight for you. See, it’s where I grew up. So I’ll fight for you. There Parker got me 2.1 million. You know, that guy supposedly has no legs. That’s I don’t think I’d saw my legs for 2.1 million but adjusted for inflation. Maybe it’s better now. Anyway, see that commercial when I was a kid, but folks, do not be a victim. Let us help you. We can provide resources we can put pressure on these people. If someone’s done, you’re wrong. This is what we’re here for. We’re here to help you. And that’s, you know, one of the things we provide ongoing support for life. So reach out to us. If you have an investment counselor, Jason Hartman, calm, if not Jason hartman.com. We’ll get in touch with you there. And if you do have an investment counselor, just reach out directly. Messiah. We’ve talked a lot about a lot of negative things today. Can we end with anything positive? How do you like real estate investing? Is it good?
Absolutely good. No, there are a lot of good property managers out there a lot of good sellers out there, just a few bad apples, you got to filter out that’s all you know. I mean, there’s a lot of good people out there. Otherwise, how would you know people continue to invest in this property. There are some good people out there. You just need to find them. That’s all. I mean, on your own podcast, people try to you know, make it look like they’re really good. But you said earlier that hey, you know what, when people are hungry, they’ll really do everything they can do to provide you the best quality service and everything else. But what happens is when they get nice and fat, you get a bite, you
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know, it’s it’s the most dangerous moment comes with victory. So keep them on their toes and don’t let them get too fat. You know, this is actually one of the informal things that we do. Okay, is that when we start to notice a provider becoming too busy, or if they do something bad, like we had another bad apple recently and I don’t know if he’s, uh, you know, sometimes you gotta judge it like on a deal by deal basis, some things can go wrong, right? It’s not as important of what happens it’s more important, like how they handle it, and what their attitude is about it, you know? And so, when something happens, like you know, it sort of reveals a person, okay, there’s an old saying, people are like tea bags. You don’t know how strong they are until you put them in some hot water. So sometimes, you know, we we noticed that it Some of these people, you know, thing goes wrong. And it’s like, we will just sever the relationship, or we will just punish them and stop referring business for a while and put them in the penalty box. And, you know, this is what we are constantly evaluating. And this is why it really does take a human component, you know, you cannot do this with a website. Okay, this is a high touch, high service business. That’s just what’s required because we got to be engaged with these people, make sure that we’re holding them accountable. So anyway, you know, I really thank you for sharing your story. There are a lot of good people. This is the most historically proven asset class in the entire world. It is a great thing, buy more properties. But you know, when you have a problem now and then you got to do something about it. And the goal of this talk with Messiah was to empower you so much. I I thank you so much for sharing your story and coming on and helping other investors. That’s the Really great have you and you know so many people listening have met you at our live events and they’ll continue to do so. And we hope to see you at some future live events. Okay, so thanks for joining us.
It’s Thanks for your support. Jason, I appreciate yours and Carrie support and your whole network. It’s really been very beneficial to me and, and a whole lot of others. I encourage everyone to use your resources that you have, but thanks. Yes, well, thank you and happy investing everyone will talk to you on the next episode.
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